The New Adventures of Mighty Mouse: Elwee and the Tree Weasels ???

Well, it was epelled "Elwy" if that's any help in tracking it down....

sincerely
cd

Post by Krick
I was looking through an online episode guide for The New Adventures
of Mighty Mouse (by Ralph Bakshi / John Kricfalusi)...
http://www.tvtome.com/NewAdventuresofMightyMouse/index.html
... and I can't seem to find any references to the "Elwee and the Tree
Weasels" episode that made fun of Alvin and the Chipmunks.
Does anyone else remember this episode or am I just going crazy?
...
Krick

Christopher S. Dunne

2004-04-24 02:04:55 UTC

According to that website, the ep is called "Mighty's Benefit Plan."

sincerely
cd

DishRoom1

2004-04-24 20:27:27 UTC

krick wrote --

No, you're not nuts. I've seen this episode myself a few times. :-)

"Now, I want you to sing..REAL FAST!"

" o/~ ABBLACHLAHDAHADUH....!!! o/~"

John Shughart

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-25 03:49:14 UTC

Post by DishRoom1
krick wrote --

Post by Krick
Does anyone else remember this episode or am I
just going crazy?

No, you're not nuts. I've seen this episode myself a
few times. :-)
"Now, I want you to sing..REAL FAST!"
" o/~ ABBLACHLAHDAHADUH....!!! o/~"
John Shughart

Heh, I remember this episode too, though the only thing I can remember
anymore was the way the Dave Seville-like character was depicted with
such a sloppy way, even having a Cherrios "O" stuck to his tongue!

If it's one thing to be said about this show, it did help to bring back
the essense of what animation was supposed to be, but was otherwise
taken away from the animators at the cost of keeping the production to a
minimul and the main ideas having to be churned out by talent-less goofs
who never drew a cartoon in their lives!

At least Bakshi, Kricfalushi & Co. had the opportunity to start the
wheels turning.

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

David Johnson

2004-04-25 12:58:01 UTC

That series was pure genius! Amazing how something like this could get
on Saturday mornings. The last show before that had me laughing out
loud on Saturdays was "The Oddball Couple" and an occasional "What's
New, Mr. Magoo?"

The O's in the Tree Weasels ep were called "O-Horrids".

--David Johnson

Kip Williams

2004-04-25 17:16:35 UTC

Post by David Johnson
The O's in the Tree Weasels ep were called "O-Horrids".

Ohoorids. Compare the way the word looks to the word "Cheerios" -- the
labels are almost identical looking.

Still kind of unsettling how Sandy Bottomfeeder always had one of them
on his tongue, though. Just keep cool, man. Everything's fine...

--
--Kip (Williams) ...at members.cox.net/kipw
"Bad enough having [expletive] flu, without being crucified." --John
Cleese (after Monty Python's Life of Brian)

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-25 22:39:20 UTC

Post by Kip Williams

Post by David Johnson
The O's in the Tree Weasels ep were called
"O-Horrids".

Ohoorids. Compare the way the word looks to the
word "Cheerios" -- the
labels are almost identical looking.

I thought so too!

Post by Kip Williams
Still kind of unsettling how Sandy Bottomfeeder
always had one of them on his tongue, though.
Just keep cool, man. Everything's fine...
--
--Kip (Williams) ...at members.cox.net/kipw

I personal felt it reminded me a lot of how people would lampoon that
kind of stuff in Mad or Cracked. Just never expected to see something
like that in 1987! Nowadays it's too common.

That and the roadkill kitty (or whatever animal) who comes out of a
pizza box at the end of the episode to warn boys and girls to look both
ways before crossing the street. Just one quick gag after another.

Speaking of which, Boomerang is doing a "Battle of the Planets" marathon
if anyone's interested in checking it out.

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

DishRoom1

2004-04-26 04:54:07 UTC

Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Post by Chris Sobieniak
That and the roadkill kitty (or whatever animal) who comes out of a
pizza box at the end of the episode to warn boys and girls to look both
ways before crossing the street. Just one quick gag after another.

LOL!!! I loved that talking roadkill. I think it was a schnuzer type of dog.

John Shughart

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 06:51:59 UTC

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Post by Chris Sobieniak
That and the roadkill kitty (or whatever animal)
who comes out of a pizza box at the end of the
episode to warn boys and girls to look both ways
before crossing the street. Just one quick gag
after another.

LOL!!! I loved that talking roadkill. I think it was a
schnuzer type of dog.
John Shughart

Heh, thanks for enjoying that! When I first saw it I was like, "This is
ugly!" Just was so different for Saturday morning of that time.

Then there was the episode that nearly made me wet myself, where a mouse
was grind up into a pulp and stuck into a bun and served to a cat as a
hamburger in a fast food restaurant! That was really impressive for
it's time!

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

DishRoom1

2004-04-26 09:05:00 UTC

Chris Sobieniak wrote --

I wrote --

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Post by Chris Sobieniak
That and the roadkill kitty (or whatever animal)
who comes out of a pizza box at the end of the
episode to warn boys and girls to look both ways
before crossing the street. Just one quick gag
after another.

LOL!!! I loved that talking roadkill. I think it was a
schnuzer type of dog.
John Shughart

Heh, thanks for enjoying that! When I first saw it I was like, "This is
ugly!" Just was so different for Saturday morning of that time.
Then there was the episode that nearly made me wet myself, where a mouse
was grind up into a pulp and stuck into a bun and served to a cat as a
hamburger in a fast food restaurant! That was really impressive for
it's time!

I've seen that one, too. The guy who established the mouseburger joint was
perhaps the most hilariously freakish cartoon character I ever saw in animated
TV. ^_^

I agre that the Bakshi MM was so unlike anything in the Saturday Morning TV
animation line-up before in tone in humor. The Filmmation version was real flat
compared to that.

John Shughart

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 12:56:19 UTC

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Post by Chris Sobieniak
Then there was the episode that nearly made me
wet myself, where a mouse was grind up into a
pulp and stuck into a bun and served to a cat as
a hamburger in a fast food restaurant! That was
really impressive for it's time!

I've seen that one, too. The guy who established
the mouseburger joint was perhaps the most
hilariously freakish cartoon character I ever saw in
animated TV. ^_^

He was! (I just can't remember it now)

Post by DishRoom1
I agre that the Bakshi MM was so unlike anything
in the Saturday Morning TV animation line-up
before in tone in humor. The Filmmation version
was real flat compared to that.
John Shughart

Plus you were dealing with the man who once worked on MM or some of the
other cartoons at the original Terrytoons studio of the 1960s. He also
used to had cameos or other appearnces of some of those characters in
other episodes as well, especially one with his creative contribution of
the mid '60s, The Mighty Heroes.

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

DishRoom1

2004-04-27 04:52:55 UTC

Chris Sobieniak wrote --

I wrote --

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

I've seen that one, too. The guy who established
the mouseburger joint was perhaps the most
hilariously freakish cartoon character I ever saw in
animated TV. ^_^

He was! (I just can't remember it now)

How could you not? ^_^ He was a little stout man with beady eyes, glasses,
little curly hair, wore a wirstwatch too tightly over his wrist with one hand
colored bright red, and he walked around in little hop-like motions with his
legs barly moving, like his entire pants was stuffed full of paper mache or
something. ;-)))

It's things like this I'm happy about Bakshi. (And perhaps that he would be
among the animation figures I would like to illumate in my cartons along with
Walt Disney, 1980's Don Bluth and my favorite Japanese anime producers.) I
remember once reading through some old article from the 1970s, which was during
another interesting, if however controversial, turn in Bakshi's animation
career. (The article came out at the release of "Heavy Traffic".) Once the
interviewer for the article asked if he would like to do a childrens' or
family-friendly entertainment, Ralph replied that, yes, he would if he has the
chance. But he added that he doesn't want to talk down kids the way the
Saturday Morning shows does.

John Shughart

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-27 07:04:51 UTC

How could you not? ^_^ He was a little stout man
with beady eyes, glasses, little curly hair, wore a
wirstwatch too tightly over his wrist with one hand
colored bright red, and he walked around in little
hop-like motions with his legs barly moving, like
his entire pants was stuffed full of paper mache or
something. ;-)))

Thanks for the description. But again, as someone had said before, this
show was seen 15 years ago, and for most of us, it's hard to really
remember exactly what they looked like in this.

It's things like this I'm happy about Bakshi. (And
perhaps that he would be among the animation
figures I would like to illumate in my cartons along
with Walt Disney, 1980's Don Bluth and my
favorite Japanese anime producers.) I remember
once reading through some old article from the
1970s, which was during another interesting, if
however controversial, turn in Bakshi's animation
career. (The article came out at the release of
"Heavy Traffic".) Once the interviewer for the
article asked if he would like to do a childrens' or
family-friendly entertainment, Ralph replied that,
yes, he would if he has the chance. But he added
that he doesn't want to talk down kids the way the
Saturday Morning shows does.
John Shughart

That's so prophetic! ^_^

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

DishRoom1

2004-04-27 07:44:39 UTC

Chris Sobieniak wrote --

I wrote --

How could you not? ^_^ He was a little stout man
with beady eyes, glasses, little curly hair, wore a
wirstwatch too tightly over his wrist with one hand
colored bright red, and he walked around in little
hop-like motions with his legs barly moving, like
his entire pants was stuffed full of paper mache or
something. ;-)))

Thanks for the description. But again, as someone had said before, this
show was seen 15 years ago, and for most of us, it's hard to really
remember exactly what they looked like in this.

Well, I'm just the sort of guy with somewhat strong sense of memory, even
though I might have the tendency to forget particular things like other folks.
(Now that I am in my 30's, I seem more forgetful of stuff I sholdn't be
forgetting, like new words, which is sort of scary. :-p) Especally that I do
not forget anything that has had left a strong impact on me after having some
sort of sensation of it. I still remember that there were an cereal when I was
a kid in which the peices were "S"-shaped. I have memories of my family's trips
to New Jersey at that time. There are also bits of Chuck Jones'
"Rikki-tikki-tikki" I once saw on TV (must see it again someday.)

It's things like this I'm happy about Bakshi. (And
perhaps that he would be among the animation
figures I would like to illumate in my cartons along
with Walt Disney, 1980's Don Bluth and my
favorite Japanese anime producers.) I remember
once reading through some old article from the
1970s, which was during another interesting, if
however controversial, turn in Bakshi's animation
career. (The article came out at the release of
"Heavy Traffic".) Once the interviewer for the
article asked if he would like to do a childrens' or
family-friendly entertainment, Ralph replied that,
yes, he would if he has the chance. But he added
that he doesn't want to talk down kids the way the
Saturday Morning shows does.
John Shughart

That's so prophetic! ^_^

Indeed. The article was from 1974 from a magazine or some newspaper.

John Shughart

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-27 20:02:45 UTC

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Thanks for the description. But again, as
someone had said before, this show was seen 15
years ago, and for most of us, it's hard to really
remember exactly what they looked like in this.

Still, you were older than me and could that pretty well!

Post by DishRoom1
Especally that I do not forget anything that has
had left a strong impact on me after having some
sort of sensation of it. I still remember that there
were an cereal when I was a kid in which the
peices were "S"-shaped.

Heh, now I wonder what one that was? ^_^

Post by DishRoom1
I have memories of my family's trips to New Jersey
at that time.

I just flat have memories if going wherever my parents did in the days
when I would ride on my dad's semi to different places, though not a
glamourous way to travel.

Post by DishRoom1
There are also bits of Chuck Jones'
"Rikki-tikki-tikki" I once saw on TV (must see it
again someday.)

I've seen it a lot, and have it on tape.

That's so prophetic! ^_^

Indeed. The article was from 1974 from a
magazine or some newspaper.
John Shughart

At least he stood by his word, also opting to do a show where the
stories were not going to be done by scripts, but from what the
cartoonists wanted to do on their own, and what material could they
contribute on the way.

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

DishRoom1

2004-04-28 05:12:13 UTC

Chris Sobieniak wrote --

I wrote --

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Thanks for the description. But again, as
someone had said before, this show was seen 15
years ago, and for most of us, it's hard to really
remember exactly what they looked like in this.

Still, you were older than me and could that pretty well!

Thanks. ^_^

Heh, now I wonder what one that was? ^_^

I forgot. It was probally under the name of "Smackeroos" or something like
that. I remember one cartoon TV commerical of it in which the product mascot
for the cereal was a bird whose appearance was similar to Sunny of Caoca Pops,
only that he struted around in Wild West-type sherrif's costume. I think there
was another commerical of him dressed like Zorro making "S" engravings with his
sword. Maybe this would help anybody remember.

Post by DishRoom1
I have memories of my family's trips to New Jersey
at that time.

I just flat have memories if going wherever my parents did in the days
when I would ride on my dad's semi to different places, though not a
glamourous way to travel.

I liked riding with my family whenever I had the chance to when I was a kid.
Often we used to had trips together to town on Fridays, which sadly I miss
anymore. My parents nowadays spend every evening at the television set, and I
don't watch a lot of TV anymore. At least I can own drive on my own in my own
car these days.

Post by DishRoom1
There are also bits of Chuck Jones'
"Rikki-tikki-tikki" I once saw on TV (must see it
again someday.)

I've seen it a lot, and have it on tape.

I hope to someday get a tape or a DVD of that movie someday.

That's so prophetic! ^_^

Indeed. The article was from 1974 from a
magazine or some newspaper.
John Shughart

And it does show, does it? ^_^

John Shughart

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-28 07:04:19 UTC

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Heh, now I wonder what one that was? ^_^

I forgot. It was probally under the name of
"Smackeroos" or something like that. I remember
one cartoon TV commerical of it in which the
product mascot for the cereal was a bird whose
appearance was similar to Sunny of Caoca Pops,
only that he struted around in Wild West-type
sherrif's costume. I think there was another
commerical of him dressed like Zorro making "S"
engravings with his sword. Maybe this would help
anybody remember.

That might, but it was probably before my time.

I just flat have memories if going wherever my
parents did in the days when I would ride on my
dad's semi to different places, though not a
glamourous way to travel.

I liked riding with my family whenever I had the
chance to when I was a kid. Often we used to had
trips together to town on Fridays, which sadly I
miss anymore. My parents nowadays spend every
evening at the television set, and I don't watch a
lot of TV anymore. At least I can own drive on my
own in my own car these days.

That's good to know. I still don't have a driver's license myself!

My mom pretty much has vegitated to a state where the TV's on all the
time in the living room, and she would watch a misture of different
tings at different times. Ususally before noon it's "The View" on ABC,
the the news on our local ABC O&O station, then it's swtiched over to
Lifetime for "Unsolved Mysterious" then following a barrage of
made-for-tv movies that mostly deal with spousal abuse and other
feminine problems, every once in a while it's a swtich around to CNN or
a home shopping channel, then it's the news at 5 or 6PM, then it's
whatever's coming on that night on the networks (American Idol on
tonight for example). The TV is usually left on during the wee hours of
the morning with some movie playing on one of the premium channels like
Showtime. That's about it.

Post by DishRoom1
There are also bits of Chuck Jones'
"Rikki-tikki-tikki" I once saw on TV (must see it
again someday.)

I've seen it a lot, and have it on tape.

I hope to someday get a tape or a DVD of that
movie someday.

Heh, someone had it on 16mm I spotted on eBay a while ago.

I have spotted a video of this at Wal-Mart as well in case you happen to
find it there.

And it does show, does it? ^_^
John Shughart

Yes. Though I've read somewhere how either Bakshi or Kricfalushi felt
there were some problems with it at first given how new the concept was,
but it was a stepping stone in the right direction for where they could
take it to.

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

Stephen Worth

2004-04-27 20:09:09 UTC

Post by DishRoom1
How could you not? ^_^ He was a little stout man with beady eyes, glasses,
little curly hair, wore a wirstwatch too tightly over his wrist with one hand
colored bright red, and he walked around in little hop-like motions with his
legs barly moving, like his entire pants was stuffed full of paper mache or
something.

That was a caricature of animation writer Wendell Washer.

See ya
Steve
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DishRoom1

2004-04-27 20:43:23 UTC

Steve Worth wrote --

I wrote --

Post by Stephen Worth

Post by DishRoom1
How could you not? ^_^ He was a little stout man with beady eyes, glasses,
little curly hair, wore a wirstwatch too tightly over his wrist with one

hand

Post by DishRoom1
colored bright red, and he walked around in little hop-like motions with

his

Post by DishRoom1
legs barly moving, like his entire pants was stuffed full of paper mache or
something.

That was a caricature of animation writer Wendell Washer.

Yes, exactly! ^_^

John Shughart

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-27 21:21:22 UTC

In article

How could you not? ^_^ He was a little stout
man with beady eyes, glasses, little curly hair,
wore a wirstwatch too tightly over his wrist with
one hand colored bright red, and he walked
around in little hop-like motions with his legs
barly moving, like his entire pants was stuffed full
of paper mache or something.

That was a caricature of animation writer Wendell
Washer.
See ya
Steve

Thanks Steve!

That's one of the things about this cartoon that wasn't like any other
at that point. Bakshi gave the animators and writers the freedom to do
what they wanted, so you have things like an animator making an
appearance in an episode, or as it was stated earlier, the Mashy the Dog
being taken from the fate of the Bagasdarian pooch that was the
inspiration for that character. It was just like the old days of
cartoons the way they were going with it.

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

DishRoom1

2004-04-28 05:00:30 UTC

Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Steve Worth wrote --

I wrote --

Post by Stephen Worth

How could you not? ^_^ He was a little stout
man with beady eyes, glasses, little curly hair,
wore a wirstwatch too tightly over his wrist with
one hand colored bright red, and he walked
around in little hop-like motions with his legs
barly moving, like his entire pants was stuffed full
of paper mache or something.

That was a caricature of animation writer Wendell
Washer.
See ya
Steve

Thanks Steve!
That's one of the things about this cartoon that wasn't like any other
at that point. Bakshi gave the animators and writers the freedom to do
what they wanted, so you have things like an animator making an
appearance in an episode, or as it was stated earlier, the Mashy the Dog
being taken from the fate of the Bagasdarian pooch that was the
inspiration for that character. It was just like the old days of
cartoons the way they were going with it.

Indeed. Bakshi and others involved with the show have had experience with
animation, such as Bakshi's own carrer begining with Terrytoons and Famous
Studios.

I imagine that it used to be the same in other studios like Terry
Terrence/Warner Bros., MGM, The Fleisher Bros. (before Paramount turned it into
Famous). I understand that Disney, a groundbreaker in storytelling in its two
heyday eras, has had counted on storyboards and artists' ideas to move the
animated movie along. Too bad that this simple technique to creativity is
neglected and forgotten about in Hollywood in recent years.

John Shughart

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-28 06:46:58 UTC

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Post by Chris Sobieniak
That's one of the things about this cartoon that
wasn't like any other at that point. Bakshi gave
the animators and writers the freedom to do what
they wanted, so you have things like an animator
making an appearance in an episode, or as it was
stated earlier, the Mashy the Dog being taken
from the fate of the Bagasdarian pooch that was
the inspiration for that character. It was just like
the old days of cartoons the way they were going
with it.

Indeed. Bakshi and others involved with the show
have had experience with animation, such as
Bakshi's own carrer begining with Terrytoons and
Famous Studios.

His stint at Famous Studios would be very brief, as he only did a few
cartoons there. The only redeeming one I could think of was 'Marvin
Diggs", about a ver hairy hippie kid with some pals of his who decided
to pain Marvin's apartment building in a rather groovy sorta way, which
angers Marvin's dad, but the mayor comes by and congradulates Marvin on
his unique contribution to beautifying the city.

Post by DishRoom1
I imagine that it used to be the same in other
studios like Terry Terrence/Warner Bros.,

You mean "Termite Terrace", but I'll forgive you!

Post by DishRoom1
MGM, The Fleisher Bros. (before Paramount
turned it into Famous). I understand that Disney, a
groundbreaker in storytelling in its two heyday
eras, has had counted on storyboards and artists'
ideas to move the animated movie along. Too bad
that this simple technique to creativity is neglected
and forgotten about in Hollywood in recent years.
John Shughart

It's a shame really. Nowadays the common procedure tends to be that the
story is scrpited first before the art can begin, rather than the art to
be applied to the story first.

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

mhirtes

2004-04-26 09:12:53 UTC

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

LOL!!! I loved that talking roadkill. I think it was a schnuzer type of dog.
John Shughart

If I'm not mistaken, "Smashy the Pup" was based on a real-life tale at
the studio. Seems that the Bakshi crew had the unfortunate luck to share
the same building with the corpse-looting Bagdasarian kids (who were
doing their Chipmunks show at the same time).

One of the more unpleasant parts about these two sponging buffoons being
in the vicinity was the little yap dog the female Bagdasarian always
brought with her, which she'd let have the run of the place, and would
nearly always manage to find it's way over to the Bakshi Prod. offices
to use as it's own toilet. Ever see that part in the Chipmunk Movie of
the rich lady with the yap dog? That was something the female Bag
demanded be put into the production, so that her little poopiekins can
be immortalized in film.

However one day, it seems that the little poopmachine lost an argument
with a Buick outside the building, and Ralph (Bakshi), Mike (Kazellah),
and John (K.) could finally go about their work again without
discovering "little presents".

As a send-off, one of these 3 sickos came up with the idea of
immortalizing the yapper by creating "Smashy".

Needless to say, when "Mighty's Benefit Plan" came out, the female Bag
was thoroughly PISSED.

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 13:10:33 UTC

In article

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Post by Chris Sobieniak
That and the roadkill kitty (or whatever animal)
who comes out of a pizza box at the end of the
episode to warn boys and girls to look both
ways before crossing the street. Just one quick
gag after another.

LOL!!! I loved that talking roadkill. I think it was a
schnuzer type of dog.
John Shughart

If I'm not mistaken, "Smashy the Pup"

That's a great name!

was based on a real-life tale at the studio. Seems
that the Bakshi crew had the unfortunate luck to
share the same building with the corpse-looting
Bagdasarian kids (who were doing their
Chipmunks show at the same time).

D'oh!

One of the more unpleasant parts about these two
sponging buffoons being in the vicinity was the
little yap dog the female Bagdasarian always
brought with her, which she'd let have the run of
the place, and would nearly always manage to find
it's way over to the Bakshi Prod. offices to use as
it's own toilet.

That's so lame!

Ever see that part in the Chipmunk Movie of the
rich lady with the yap dog? That was something
the female Bag demanded be put into the
production, so that her little poopiekins can be
immortalized in film.

God, I didn't know that!

However one day, it seems that the little
poopmachine lost an argument with a Buick
outside the building, and Ralph (Bakshi), Mike
(Kazellah), and John (K.) could finally go about
their work again without discovering "little
presents".

Heheheheh!

As a send-off, one of these 3 sickos came up with
the idea of immortalizing the yapper by creating
"Smashy".

And the rest was history!

Needless to say, when "Mighty's Benefit Plan"
came out, the female Bag was thoroughly
PISSED.

Well she deserved it!

Someone needs to put out a book about this show! Would be neat to put
all this info into it if possible (not that getting interviews from
those that worked on the show like Kricfalushi, Moore, Reardon, Kazaleh,
etc isn't out of the question).

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

Howard Fein

2004-04-26 14:42:26 UTC

Post by mhirtes

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

And a nice jab at the quick moralizing inherent at the end of most
cartoon episodes made in the seventies and eighties. Think FAT ALBERT,
THE BARKLEYS, NEW GILLIGAN, THE LITTLES and many, many others.

Post by mhirtes
If I'm not mistaken, "Smashy the Pup" was based on a real-life tale at
the studio. Seems that the Bakshi crew had the unfortunate luck to share
the same building with the corpse-looting Bagdasarian kids (who were
doing their Chipmunks show at the same time).

It's MASHY, not Smashy! The fact that it's been 15 years since that
episode has seen the light of day clouds the memories of many people
recalling this series. Apart from a few weeks of reruns on Fox in fall
1992, MM:TNA has never been seen again as far as I know outside of
bootleg video.

One would think that, given John K's huge celebrity from his following
project, that the show would be revived on basic cable or legitimate
video. But then again, given the notoriety of the series thanks to
that ridiculous brouhaha with Mighty 'sniffing cocaine'- and the fact
that Ralph Bakshi is not the most popular figure in the animation or
programming communities- such a scenario is sadly unlikely.

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 15:46:22 UTC

Post by Howard Fein

Post by mhirtes
If I'm not mistaken, "Smashy the Pup"

It's MASHY, not Smashy!

Thanks for clearing it up. I personally wasn't sure what name he had at
all.

Post by Howard Fein
The fact that it's been 15 years since that episode
has seen the light of day clouds the memories of
many people recalling this series. Apart from a few
weeks of reruns on Fox in fall 1992, MM:TNA has
never been seen again as far as I know outside of
bootleg video.

Very much. It's one of those rarities that only gets talked about
because of the circulated bootlegs that kept it alive to only a few
(like me, though my copies are on CD).

Post by Howard Fein
One would think that, given John K's huge
celebrity from his following project, that the show
would be revived on basic cable or legitimate
video.

When FOX aired it, that was the angle they went after.

Post by Howard Fein
But then again, given the notoriety of the series
thanks to that ridiculous brouhaha with Mighty
'sniffing cocaine'- and the fact that Ralph Bakshi is
not the most popular figure in the animation or
programming communities- such a scenario is
sadly unlikely.

Which is ironically true in most cases.

After MM:TNA, John Kricfalushi went on to do a brief stint at DIC where
he produced a revial of Bob Clampett's "Beany & Cecil" for ABC.
Unfortunately ABC wanted approval of the scripts for the shows (John K's
originally wanted him to throw in any nutty idea they could think of
instead of going the typical route in TV animation), and even after all
the trouble they went to putting it on the air (even leaving a few
things that weren't approved by the network), it was canned after 6
weeks or so. I never got to see much of it at all during this time (as
I hardly watched ABC at the time), but now I wish I had bootleg copies
of this.

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

Vince Macek

2004-04-25 20:37:25 UTC

Post by David Johnson
That series was pure genius! Amazing how something like this could get
on Saturday mornings. The last show before that had me laughing out
loud on Saturdays was "The Oddball Couple" and an occasional "What's
New, Mr. Magoo?"
The O's in the Tree Weasels ep were called "O-Horrids".
--David Johnson

If someone could hip me to where to see these again I'd be delirious
with joy (***@mindspring.com). A review of the show at the time
gave Mighty the distinction of edging out Pee-Wee Herman as tv's
hippest rodent.

VMacek

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-25 22:44:07 UTC

Post by Vince Macek

That series was pure genius! Amazing how
something like this could get on Saturday
mornings. The last show before that had me
laughing out loud on Saturdays was "The Oddball
Couple" and an occasional "What's New, Mr.
Magoo?"
The O's in the Tree Weasels ep were called
"O-Horrids".
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If someone could hip me to where to see these
again I'd be delirious with joy

Best place I've been able to find them at (though an illegal use) is
through alt.binaries.multimedia.cartoons, those copies tend to be of VCD
quality however but if you can burn them on a disc and watch them on
your DVD player you're set!

Post by Vince Macek
A review of the show at the time gave Mighty the
distinction of edging out Pee-Wee Herman as tv's
hippest rodent.
VMacek

It's probably best it did!

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-25 22:24:50 UTC

That series was pure genius! Amazing how
something like this could get on Saturday
mornings.

I had the same feeling too. This show was on the same network that had
less-than-gracious programs like Pee-Wee's Playhouse, Muppet Babies, and
a few other one-two season half-bakes (anyone remember "Galaxy High"?).

Kinda a shame CBS had to can the "Garbage Pail Kids" toon before it was
ever aired due to some compliants from those concerned parents. Though
I bet the toon would've sucked anyway if the animation was Z-grade.

The last show before that had me laughing out
loud on Saturdays was "The Oddball Couple" and
an occasional "What's New, Mr. Magoo?"

I've seen "What's New, Mr. Magoo?" some years back and would agree
somewhat (though the original UPA version I would favor the most).

The O's in the Tree Weasels ep were called
"O-Horrids".
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Thanks! I actually hated Cherrios myself, and when I watched that
episode (while eating them), I kinda got sick to my stomach and decided
to stop eating them since!

And I still don't. (though I don't eat breakfast, period!) ^_^

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

Metlhd3138

2004-04-26 00:36:57 UTC

That series was pure genius! Amazing how
something like this could get on Saturday
mornings.

Hey, Pee Wee's playhouse wasnt THAT bad (though it couldnt touch the HBO
special that inspired it). It was kind of neat to see random absurdity on
Saturday Mornings (of course, then he decided to go see a movie,,and we wont
get into THAT). I dont remember much of the new adventures of MM but what i do
remember i liked (and i saw the classic flower sniffing ep as well). Anyone
know if the series was ever released on video?

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 02:51:25 UTC

Post by Metlhd3138

That series was pure genius! Amazing how
something like this could get on Saturday
mornings.

Hey, Pee Wee's playhouse wasnt THAT bad
(though it couldnt touch the HBO special that
inspired it).

I kinda liked the HBO special more. Probably more for it's obvious
homage to kiddie shows, but obviously being posed to a generation that
had already grown-up.

(also a nice use of showing a bit from Ub Iwerk's "Balloonland" and a
hygene ephemeral film "Mr. Bungle" as well)

Post by Metlhd3138
It was kind of neat to see random absurdity on
Saturday Mornings

Kinda liked the moments when stock footage of some cartoon or whatever
got used, though I kinda hated the episode where a penpal of Pee-Wee
from Japan stopped by (with such a dorky name) and they wind up showing
a clip from Gamera before Pee-Wee ends the show in his usual form.

Post by Metlhd3138
(of course, then he decided to go see a movie,,and
we wont get into THAT).

Ha! There's a bike shop near my house that has a pic of Paul Reubens
from his jail mugshot.

Post by Metlhd3138
I dont remember much of the new adventures of
MM but what i do remember i liked (and i saw the
classic flower sniffing ep as well). Anyone know if
the series was ever released on video?

I don't tihnk so (given the way Viacom's stance seems to be about it).

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

DishRoom1

2004-04-26 04:26:51 UTC

Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Metlhd wrote --

Post by Metlhd3138

That series was pure genius! Amazing how
something like this could get on Saturday
mornings.

Hey, Pee Wee's playhouse wasnt THAT bad
(though it couldnt touch the HBO special that
inspired it).

I kinda liked the HBO special more. Probably more for it's obvious
homage to kiddie shows, but obviously being posed to a generation that
had already grown-up.
(also a nice use of showing a bit from Ub Iwerk's "Balloonland" and a
hygene ephemeral film "Mr. Bungle" as well)

Post by Metlhd3138
It was kind of neat to see random absurdity on
Saturday Mornings

I remember that episode with the Japanese penpal. ("Dear Pee-Wee, I live in
Japan, where we live in a paper house and eat raw fish.." I didn't know how
that would sit with Japanese-Americans ^_^)

Post by Metlhd3138
(of course, then he decided to go see a movie,,and
we wont get into THAT).

Ha! There's a bike shop near my house that has a pic of Paul Reubens
from his jail mugshot.

Be glad that they just only took photos of his face, folks. (Sorry, I'll stop
the stupid jokes now.)

I don't tihnk so (given the way Viacom's stance seems to be about it).

I've seen some even worse things from MTV/Viacom/CBS over the years than the MM
flower-sniff scene, and yet they're chicken on the later mentioned?

John Shughart

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 04:59:35 UTC

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Post by Chris Sobieniak
Kinda liked the moments when stock footage of
some cartoon or whatever got used, though I
kinda hated the episode where a penpal of
Pee-Wee from Japan stopped by (with such a
dorky name) and they wind up showing a clip
from Gamera before Pee-Wee ends the show in
his usual form.

I remember that episode with the Japanese
penpal.

I just didn't like the way they named him "Ooki Doki".

Post by DishRoom1
("Dear Pee-Wee, I live in Japan, where we live in a
paper house and eat raw fish.." I didn't know how
that would sit with Japanese-Americans ^_^)

Heh, I think the HBO special where he reads one from Isreal was even
funnier....

"Shalom Pee-Wee! My name is Shlomo. I'm 9 and I've been in the army
for 2 years."

That's STILL not topical!

Post by Chris Sobieniak
Ha! There's a bike shop near my house that has a
pic of Paul Reubens from his jail mugshot.

Be glad that they just only took photos of his face,
folks. (Sorry, I'll stop the stupid jokes now.)

Still, he had a nice profile (probably worthy of anyone whose out of
character and does want to do the same thing in a porno theatre too).

Post by Chris Sobieniak
I don't tihnk so (given the way Viacom's stance
seems to be about it).

I've seen some even worse things from
MTV/Viacom/CBS over the years than the MM
flower-sniff scene,

Especially when their subsidiary, National Amusements, had to buy out
every other theatre in my town, and thus we have NO competition in the
cinema chain biz. I'm mad for that!

Post by DishRoom1
and yet they're chicken on the later mentioned?
John Shughart

Sad but true. Practically I haven't seen the Terrytoons in years as
well, guess they have no use for them too. F__k it! (developing Kevin
Smith-like tendencies now) ^_^

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

mhirtes

2004-04-26 09:31:08 UTC

Post by Metlhd3138

That series was pure genius! Amazing how
something like this could get on Saturday
mornings.

Hey, Pee Wee's playhouse wasnt THAT bad
(though it couldnt touch the HBO special that
inspired it).

I kinda liked the HBO special more. Probably more for it's obvious
homage to kiddie shows, but obviously being posed to a generation that
had already grown-up.
(also a nice use of showing a bit from Ub Iwerk's "Balloonland" and a
hygene ephemeral film "Mr. Bungle" as well)

AND for introducting Phil "Captain Carl" Hartman to the world.

"Ohhhh, a sailor goes off to many lands.
To anywhere he pleases.
But he ALWAYS REMEMBERS TO WASH HIS HANDS
so he don't get no, diseases!"

And yes, "Cowboy Curtis" in the CBS verion. Have NEVER been able to take
Morpheus or Mace Windu seriously because of it. Sort of like the Tom
Servo in the back of my mind seeing Elrond on the big screen and
thinking "You seem to have a problem with authority, Mister
Baaaaagginnnnnnnsssssss.......".

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 13:24:15 UTC

Post by mhirtes
AND for introducting Phil "Captain Carl" Hartman
to the world.

Oh, how soon we forget!

Post by mhirtes
"Ohhhh, a sailor goes off to many lands. To
anywhere he pleases.
But he ALWAYS REMEMBERS TO WASH HIS
HANDS so he don't get no, diseases!"

Hehehehehe! My favorite moment from that is when he gives Pee-Wee a
little puzzle involving a drawing with the obvious section missing...
Capt. Carl: "Name me two things missing on this mermaid?"
Pee-Wee: "ehhhhh"
And I think after that Pee-Wee doesn't get it, so Carl shows him that it
was a watch and a belly botton! I just laugh at that!

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

DishRoom1

2004-04-26 04:50:22 UTC

Chris Sobieniak wrote --

David Johnson wrote --

That series was pure genius! Amazing how
something like this could get on Saturday
mornings.

I liked watching "Pee-Wee's Playhouse". (In another MM episode, Pee-Wee himself
was lampooned when he appeared as some villian's giant monster. ^_^) I agree
with "Muppet Babies", and perhaps to some more thumbs-down on "Galaxy High".
(What a slow, annoying show!)

Post by Chris Sobieniak
Kinda a shame CBS had to can the "Garbage Pail Kids" toon before it was
ever aired due to some compliants from those concerned parents. Though
I bet the toon would've sucked anyway if the animation was Z-grade.

I hate the Garbage Pail Kids, due to my being so weak-stomached to their
grossness. I remember seeing some Garbage Pail cards my sister had and Ifelt
real sick to my soul. X_X

There was acutally a live-action movie about the Garbage Pail Kids from around
the 1980s, which was a box office flopper and rarely talked about. Inever saw
the film, but judging on was what was said about the movie's plot and
"characters" in the review I once read from a movie fansite, it seems never
seeing the movie was a great miraclous thing. x_x

The O's in the Tree Weasels ep were called
"O-Horrids".

I watched that "Mighty's Benifit Plan" episode, and despite the freaky Cherrios
gag (which I thought was funny, in fact), I continue to eat Honey-Nut Cherrios
for breakfast ( and then much recently Cherriors with Strawberries,
Stawberries-&-Bananas, and Forsted Cherrios. Yum.) Didn't like the original
version; a little bland as I recall.

John Shughart

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 06:32:28 UTC

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

I liked watching "Pee-Wee's Playhouse". (In
another MM episode, Pee-Wee himself was
lampooned when he appeared as some villian's
giant monster. ^_^)

Heh, I remember that. The only thing to come out of his mouth was just
that nerdy laugh!

Post by DishRoom1
I agree with "Muppet Babies", and perhaps to
some more thumbs-down on "Galaxy High". (What
a slow, annoying show!)

Still, I was impressed that TMS worked on it, but it was a dumb idea
none the less. Then there was the cartoon version of "Teen Wolf", which
I thought was OK, but not nearly impressive. That show was animated in
Australia by the former Hanna-Barbera studio there I think.

Kinda a shame CBS had to can the "Garbage
Pail Kids" toon before it was ever aired due to
some compliants from those concerned parents.
Though I bet the toon would've sucked anyway if
the animation was Z-grade.

I hate the Garbage Pail Kids, due to my being so
weak-stomached to their grossness. I remember seeing some Garbage Pail

cards my sister had and

Post by DishRoom1
Ifelt real sick to my soul. X_X

Heh, my brother and his friends used to collect those a lot. I wanted
some too, but was too young to really get those, and my mom was too
stricted about them as well.

Post by DishRoom1
There was acutally a live-action movie about the
Garbage Pail Kids from around the 1980s, which
was a box office flopper and rarely talked about.
Inever saw the film, but judging on was what was
said about the movie's plot and "characters" in the
review I once read from a movie fansite, it seems
never seeing the movie was a great miraclous
thing. x_x

I wanted to see that flick! Sadly my mom couldn't take me to it. So I
waited some 15 years or so until I came across a video of it at a rental
store, and watched it. Sadly it had a lame ending, and the kid doesn't
get the chick at all, optning to play the smartass and tell her off.
Didn't live up to my expectations!

Still, that doesn't stop the Garbage Pail Kids from making a comeback on
the web!
http://www.garbagepailkids.com/

Post by David Johnson
The O's in the Tree Weasels ep were called
"O-Horrids".

I watched that "Mighty's Benifit Plan" episode, and
despite the freaky Cherrios gag (which I thought
was funny, in fact), I continue to eat Honey-Nut
Cherrios for breakfast ( and then much recently
Cherriors with Strawberries,
Stawberries-&-Bananas, and Forsted Cherrios.
Yum.) Didn't like the original version; a little bland
as I recall.
John Shughart

Well int he 1980s, that's all we had, original and Honey Nut. I just
didn't like it at all for the oat taste. I hate to admit to those here
that my favorite cereal I can tolerate to eat is Life, left to become
soggy in milk, with extra sugar added! It just suited me fine, though
most kids wouldn't eat soggy cereals anyway!

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

DishRoom1

2004-04-26 09:10:49 UTC

Chris Sobieniak wrote --

I wrote --

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

I liked watching "Pee-Wee's Playhouse". (In
another MM episode, Pee-Wee himself was
lampooned when he appeared as some villian's
giant monster. ^_^)

Heh, I remember that. The only thing to come out of his mouth was just
that nerdy laugh!

Post by DishRoom1
I agree with "Muppet Babies", and perhaps to
some more thumbs-down on "Galaxy High". (What
a slow, annoying show!)

I believe you're right about "Teen Wolf" coming from Hanna-Barbera, too.

I hate the Garbage Pail Kids, due to my being so
weak-stomached to their grossness. I remember seeing some Garbage Pail

cards my sister had and

Post by DishRoom1
Ifelt real sick to my soul. X_X

Heh, my brother and his friends used to collect those a lot. I wanted
some too, but was too young to really get those, and my mom was too
stricted about them as well.

I wanted to see that flick! Sadly my mom couldn't take me to it. So I
waited some 15 years or so until I came across a video of it at a rental
store, and watched it. Sadly it had a lame ending, and the kid doesn't
get the chick at all, optning to play the smartass and tell her off.
Didn't live up to my expectations!
Still, that doesn't stop the Garbage Pail Kids from making a comeback on
the web!
http://www.garbagepailkids.com/

Heh, I'm amazed by how you could stomach what those guys dish out. ^_^

Post by David Johnson
The O's in the Tree Weasels ep were called
"O-Horrids".

I watched that "Mighty's Benifit Plan" episode, and
despite the freaky Cherrios gag (which I thought
was funny, in fact), I continue to eat Honey-Nut
Cherrios for breakfast ( and then much recently
Cherriors with Strawberries,
Stawberries-&-Bananas, and Forsted Cherrios.
Yum.) Didn't like the original version; a little bland
as I recall.
John Shughart

Heh, I don't like soogy cereal too much. ^_^ I would often eat certain cereal
brands dry. (Fruit Loops, Frosted Flakes..)

John Shughart

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 13:03:20 UTC

Post by DishRoom1
Chris Sobieniak wrote --

Post by Chris Sobieniak
Still, I was impressed that TMS worked on it, but
it was a dumb idea none the less. Then there
was the cartoon version of "Teen Wolf", which I
thought was OK, but not nearly impressive. That
show was animated in Australia by the former
Hanna-Barbera studio there I think.

I believe you're right about "Teen Wolf" coming
from Hanna-Barbera, too.

Though technically, the show was produced through a different company I
think, with Atlantic Releasing Corp having own the original rights to
the film it was based on, though for a while, they went under the name
"Clubhouse Pictures" which was their subsidiary for childrens' films
that were released between 1986-87.

Post by Chris Sobieniak
Still, that doesn't stop the Garbage Pail Kids from
making a comeback on the web!
http://www.garbagepailkids.com/

Heh, I'm amazed by how you could stomach what
those guys dish out. ^_^

Well you just get used to it like in a hot tub. Oddly some designs of
the kids were used twice but had different names used over the period of
those cards.

Post by Chris Sobieniak
Well int he 1980s, that's all we had, original and
Honey Nut. I just didn't like it at all for the oat
taste. I hate to admit to those here that my
favorite cereal I can tolerate to eat is Life, left to
become soggy in milk, with extra sugar added! It
just suited me fine, though most kids wouldn't eat
soggy cereals anyway!

Heh, I don't like soogy cereal too much. ^_^ I
would often eat certain cereal
brands dry. (Fruit Loops, Frosted Flakes..)
John Shughart

Heh, I hardly want to eat cereal that way.

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

mhirtes

2004-04-26 09:27:54 UTC

Post by Chris Sobieniak
Well int he 1980s, that's all we had, original and Honey Nut. I just
didn't like it at all for the oat taste. I hate to admit to those here
that my favorite cereal I can tolerate to eat is Life, left to become
soggy in milk, with extra sugar added! It just suited me fine, though
most kids wouldn't eat soggy cereals anyway!

Still, even Cheerios is a lot better than that dreadful, tastes like mud
cereal known as "Kix" ("Kid detested. Mother don't know any better.").
It was what Trix is like without the flavor, colors, or fun.

And, the ULTIMATE in crap in the breakfast bowl: "Uncle Sam Cereal".

http://www.usmillsinc.com/usmills/search.php?brand=5

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 13:18:55 UTC

In article

"Gosh Davvvvey, I never thought of it that way!"

Really, I ate that one without really thinking of the obvious. Though
my mom was rather partial to me eating artifically laced colors in
cereals, and I Hardly ever got what I wanted as a kid, having to put up
with the likes of corn flakes, rice krispies and Lucky Charms (back when
it had only 4 or so marshmellows).

The only cereal I never had before in my life is Cookie Crisp, which I
have to admit was probably one of the craziest ideas anyone could have,
cookies for breakfast, but it's a product that has stood the test of
time!

"Uncle Sam Cereal".
http://www.usmillsinc.com/usmills/search.php?bran>d=5

D'oh! I assume this is the answer to 9-11 and all that.

At least it doesn't have some goofy cartoon character version of said
guy!

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

Vince Macek

2004-05-01 21:17:23 UTC

In article

"Gosh Davvvvey, I never thought of it that way!"
Really, I ate that one without really thinking of the obvious. Though
my mom was rather partial to me eating artifically laced colors in
cereals, and I Hardly ever got what I wanted as a kid, having to put up
with the likes of corn flakes, rice krispies and Lucky Charms (back when
it had only 4 or so marshmellows).
The only cereal I never had before in my life is Cookie Crisp, which I
have to admit was probably one of the craziest ideas anyone could have,
cookies for breakfast, but it's a product that has stood the test of
time!

"Uncle Sam Cereal".
http://www.usmillsinc.com/usmills/search.php?bran>d=5

D'oh! I assume this is the answer to 9-11 and all that.
At least it doesn't have some goofy cartoon character version of said
guy!

I liked both Kix and the old-style Trix, when it was just three colors
and no pressed fruit-shaped pieces (and get more than a few colors
swimming around there, the milk gets really nasty-looking)

That Uncle Sam Ceral has been around quite a while, hasn't it? I
always figured it to be some high-fiber get-you-moving product.

Around 1969 I had a dream about Spiro Agnew Cereal - box art all
spangled red-white-&-blue, and cereal shaped like his lumpy,
pear-shaped head. If I were on the ball I could've marketed Cheney
Puffs today...oh well.

VMacek

Chris Sobieniak

2004-05-02 03:56:40 UTC

Post by Vince Macek

http://www.usmillsinc.com/usmills/search.php?br>>>an>d=3D5

D'oh! I assume this is the answer to 9-11 and all
that.
At least it doesn't have some goofy cartoon
character version of said guy!

I liked both Kix and the old-style Trix, when it was
just three colors and no pressed fruit-shaped
pieces (and get more than a few colors swimming
around there, the milk gets really nasty-looking)

I miss it too! It's harder for me to eat that cereal without feeling
the shapes tearing the roof of my mouth! :-(

Post by Vince Macek
That Uncle Sam Ceral has been around quite a
while, hasn't it? I always figured it to be some
high-fiber get-you-moving product.

Sounds like it.

Post by Vince Macek
Around 1969 I had a dream about Spiro Agnew
Cereal - box art all spangled red-white-&-blue, and
cereal shaped like his lumpy, pear-shaped head.

Too bad knowobody came up with that!

Post by Vince Macek
If I were on the ball I could've marketed Cheney
Puffs today...oh well.
VMacek

You should!

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

Kip Williams

2004-05-02 11:35:06 UTC

Post by Vince Macek
I liked both Kix and the old-style Trix, when it was
just three colors and no pressed fruit-shaped
pieces (and get more than a few colors swimming
around there, the milk gets really nasty-looking)

I miss it too! It's harder for me to eat that cereal without feeling
the shapes tearing the roof of my mouth! :-(

What I didn't like is that the new shapes turn to mush in milk in 3.5
seconds. The old shapes, you could pour a small bowl and eat it with the
cereal still crunchy. I guess somebody's buying the stuff, though.

--
--Kip (Williams) ...at members.cox.net/kipw
"Bad enough having [expletive] flu, without being crucified." --John
Cleese (after Monty Python's Life of Brian)

Chris Sobieniak

2004-05-03 07:16:09 UTC

Post by Kip Williams

I miss it too! It's harder for me to eat that cereal
without feeling the shapes tearing the roof of my
mouth! :-(

What I didn't like is that the new shapes turn to
mush in milk in 3.5 seconds. The old shapes, you
could pour a small bowl and eat it with the cereal
still crunchy.

I almost forgot about that.

Post by Kip Williams
I guess somebody's buying the stuff, though.
--
--Kip (Williams)

I guess we'll have to thank the newer generation for having to neve to
put up with that stuff (not knowing the real truth over it's original
concept that the older geneation cherished).

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

Steve Carras

2004-04-29 22:43:03 UTC

Post by mhirtes

Post by Chris Sobieniak
Well int he 1980s, that's all we had, original and Honey Nut. I just
didn't like it at all for the oat taste. I hate to admit to those here
that my favorite cereal I can tolerate to eat is Life, left to become
soggy in milk, with extra sugar added! It just suited me fine, though
most kids wouldn't eat soggy cereals anyway!

HEY!! I love BOTH those. (Thogh now we get to the CHOCOLATE
version.COCOA PUFFS.The BEST cereal out thar.)
ANd of course, the POST CRISPY CRITTERS which spawned a COITAIN TV
show starrin' B movie actor/TV man Sheldon Leonard..LINUS THE
LIONHEARTED.

mhirtes

2004-04-26 09:24:23 UTC

Post by David Johnson
The O's in the Tree Weasels ep were called
"O-Horrids".

Or were they "Bilk-O's" (with Sgt. Bilko on the box)? Seems more than
one creator on that show had a thing for retro TV, and this was years
before "Nick At Nite" would come along.

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 13:12:40 UTC

In article

Post by David Johnson
The O's in the Tree Weasels ep were called
"O-Horrids".

Or were they "Bilk-O's" (with Sgt. Bilko on the
box)?

Nope, I think it was "Ohorrids".

Seems more than one creator on that show had a
thing for retro TV, and this was years before "Nick
At Nite" would come along.

Well Nick-at-Nite came out in '85, but I don't think Sgt. Bilko was seen
on that network yet, but I can't remember exactly when it was on (I
first saw it on "HA! TV Comedy Network").

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

Howard Fein

2004-04-26 15:38:19 UTC

Post by mhirtes

Post by David Johnson
The O's in the Tree Weasels ep were called
"O-Horrids".

Or were they "Bilk-O's" (with Sgt. Bilko on the box)? Seems more than
one creator on that show had a thing for retro TV, and this was years
before "Nick At Nite" would come along.

Bilk-O cereal made in appearance in another cult-classic MM:TNA
episode, "Don't Touch That Dial!" The first of many, MANY specific
parodies of cartoons, this one begins with what seems like a typical
Mighty Mouse adventure (trying to bring the Cow in for a safe
landing), albeit with a typical non-sequiter thrown in: A rodent
air-traffic controller explains "This is amazing- I passed a whole
French fry through my nose!" His partner responds "Crinkle-cut, too!"
We even SEE the French fry in question, although it's thankfully
devoid of any nasal matter. You KNOW that, if such a thing happened to
Ren or Stimpy, there'd be a graphic close-up leaving nothing to the
imagination.

But the episode REALLY takes off when a bored boy (apparently clad in
diaper!) starts switching the channels with Mighty Mouse somehow going
along with the switches. Brief but hilarious parodies ensue of THE
FLINTSTONES and JETSONS combined (a theme song documenting each
character so obnoxious MM must plug his ears with trees); SCOOBY-DOO
(Brit/African guy, Asian gal, clean-cut American guy, hippie American
guy, kitschy 'chase song' lyrics laden with references to the
seventies); ROCKY & BULLWINKLE (the former not a moose but a direct
Stallone carecature); and DIC's GHOSTBUSTERS (with appropriate Anime
background and each one having the same laconic Dave Coulier-esque
voice.)

Loads of classic lines: "Now I know why they call TV a medium- nothing
on it is ever rare or well-done."; "At last: A cure for loud Hawaiian
shirts!" "Gosh,I feel my I.Q. dropping by the minute!"; "What're you
doing picking on my ethnically mixed buddies?" But the ultimate kicker
is the lecture Mighty delivers to the errant lad on better ways his
time could be spent ("Go out and play. Read a book. Pester your
parents."), with the last line "(-and here's what TV is REALLY
about-)" leading into a commercial!

Another episode that amazingly found its way past the censors, "The
Ice Goose Cometh" guest-stars fellow Terrytoon Gandy Goose. Much is
made about how the Mouse has retained his popularity over the years
(through reruns and a horrible 1979 Filmation remake), enabling him to
realize the passage of time- while Gandy, who's been literally frozen
since his theatrical career ended in the fifties, is completely
oblivious. (Check out some of the posters on a fence referring to The
Smerds and other eighties 'icons'.) All he cares about is finding his
longtime partner Sourpuss. Mighty takes pity on the Goose and takes
him into his digs.

Before long, we see what's become a 'domestic' relationship with Gandy
clearly the 'wife': he's doing all the housework (serving nothing but
birdseed, turning Mighty's favorite chair into a cage perch), even
wearing a bubushka on his head. Mighty's long-suppressed rant (done in
his alter-ego 'Mike Mouse' voice, which somewhat resembles that of
Robert Hays) at Gandy leads to the goose tearfully pouting ("Now
you're cross with me!") and bidding adieu. The Mouse then pounds the
table and bawls uncontrollably. The scene is hysterical and chilling
at the same time. The episode does end on a happy note, with Mighty
reuniting Gandy with his long-lost partner, now a distinctly senior
citizen. (For those of you taking notes, virtuoso Joe Alaskey does
Gandy's voice, wonderfully duplicating Arthur Kay's Ed Wynn
impersonation.)

The relative dearth of memorable Terrytoon characters spared this
series from the rampant cameo-itis that hampered many later WB
animations. There were cameos from Deputy Dawg (as a here-we-go-again
tag line in the above episode) and Gaston LeCrayon (as a boxing
referee!!). I believe Heckle and Jeckle are at the bachelor party in
"Mighty's Wedlock Whimsy". Clint Clobber and Farmer Alfalfa appear in
snippets of original footage used as filler in "Scrappy's Playhouse."
It's interesting to note that Scrappy recognizes Farmer Al "I wonder
why [he] always look guilty?"), but not the heavily-stylized, Deitch-
created Clobber ("That looks AWFUL!"). But I digress-

Other episodes besides "Ice Goose" spotlight classic Terrytoons as
guest stars. "Zeroes and Heroes" feature Bakshi's earlier Mighty
Heroes. "Still Oily After All These Years" brings back Oil Can Harry
as a full-blown psychotic released from jail and still obsessed with
Pearl. This episode slams the Amish (Mighty sarcastically advising a
dead-serious rodent of said following not to have TOO muh fun),
minimum-security prisons, Ralph Bakshi (who is grotesquely caracatured
in several episodes) and, most notably, the eighties self-help fad, a
la EST or Lifespring. Mighty arrives at Pearl's house to "save the
day", only to find them both indulging in a fit of
aggression-removing, sole-cleansing primal screaming. Puzzled, he
inquires "I'm not interrupting anything, am I?"

CBS always was the most innovative network when it came to Saturday AM
programming. It also brought us PEE-WEE'S PLAYHOUSE, which aired right
before NEW ADVENTURES' first season.

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 16:10:23 UTC

Post by Howard Fein
But the episode REALLY takes off when a bored
boy (apparently clad in diaper!) starts switching the
channels with Mighty Mouse somehow going along
with the switches. Brief but hilarious parodies
ensue of THE FLINTSTONES and JETSONS
combined (a theme song documenting each
character so obnoxious MM must plug his ears with
trees);

Oh, now I remember this!

Post by Howard Fein
SCOOBY-DOO (Brit/African guy, Asian gal,
clean-cut American guy, hippie American guy,

Obviously to pander to the PC multi-cultural crowd!

Post by Howard Fein
kitschy 'chase song' lyrics laden with references to
the seventies); ROCKY & BULLWINKLE (the
former not a moose but a direct Stallone
carecature); and DIC's GHOSTBUSTERS (with
appropriate Anime background and each one
having the same laconic Dave Coulier-esque
voice.)

All the best/worst cartoons come to shine in one 12 minute episode!

Post by Howard Fein
Loads of classic lines: "Now I know why they call
TV a medium- nothing on it is ever rare or
well-done."; "At last: A cure for loud Hawaiian
shirts!" "Gosh,I feel my I.Q. dropping by the
minute!"; "What're you doing picking on my
ethnically mixed buddies?" But the ultimate kicker
is the lecture Mighty delivers to the errant lad on
better ways his time could be spent ("Go out and
play. Read a book. Pester your parents."), with the
last line "(-and here's what TV is REALLY about-)"
leading into a commercial!

That was a good one! (if this show as on DVD, I wonder how well that
line would've worked out without the ads?)

Post by Howard Fein
The relative dearth of memorable Terrytoon
characters spared this series from the rampant
cameo-itis that hampered many later WB
animations. There were cameos from Deputy
Dawg (as a here-we-go-again tag line in the above
episode) and Gaston LeCrayon (as a boxing
referee!!). I believe Heckle and Jeckle are at the
bachelor party in "Mighty's Wedlock Whimsy". Clint
Clobber and Farmer Alfalfa appear in snippets of
original footage used as filler in "Scrappy's
Playhouse."

Heh, the only episode I didn't care for much was the one where all it
was is music synched to clips from classic Terrytoons. It reminded me a
bit more of what Disney did with it's "DTV" thing on the Disney Channel.
Just seemed like they wanted to kill another half of the half-hour to
save time on working on the next episode.

Post by Howard Fein
It's interesting to note that Scrappy recognizes
Farmer Al "I wonder why [he] always look guilty?"),
but not the heavily-stylized, Deitch- created
Clobber ("That looks AWFUL!"). But I digress-

At least "Tom Terrific" didnt' show up (I think).

Post by Howard Fein
CBS always was the most innovative network
when it came to Saturday AM programming. It also
brought us PEE-WEE'S PLAYHOUSE, which aired
right before NEW ADVENTURES' first season.

Still I sometimes wonder if it was a lame decision to pair this up with
Pee-Wee. Not that it mattered, but I was never the one that would
continue the secret word schtick all through the day with my parents and
friends. ^_^

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

n***@hotmail.com

2005-01-28 16:09:07 UTC

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Thank you for your interest!

Jeff Boice

2004-04-27 10:20:39 UTC

I remember a strange episode that had Edward R Murrow telling the
audience about how in the future Mighty and Pearl got married and
settled down with Scrappy on a farm someplace. The cartoon ended with
Murrow wishing the viewers "Good Night, and Good Luck. At least better
luck than I had." as he turns to dust... My reactions were "I wonder
if CBS even knows about this", and "How many people are going to get
this"

DishRoom1

2004-04-27 20:44:51 UTC

Jeff Boice wrote --

Post by Jeff Boice
I remember a strange episode that had Edward R Murrow telling the
audience about how in the future Mighty and Pearl got married and
settled down with Scrappy on a farm someplace. The cartoon ended with
Murrow wishing the viewers "Good Night, and Good Luck. At least better
luck than I had." as he turns to dust... My reactions were "I wonder
if CBS even knows about this", and "How many people are going to get
this"

I never saw THAT episode when I saw it on CBS. O_O

John Shughart

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-27 21:18:16 UTC

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0I remember a strange episode that had
Edward R Murrow telling the audience about how
in the future Mighty and Pearl got married and
settled down with Scrappy on a farm someplace.
The cartoon ended with Murrow wishing the
viewers "Good Night, and Good Luck. At least
better luck than I had." as he turns to dust... =A0 My
reactions were "I wonder if CBS even knows about
this", and "How many people are going to get this"

Surprised CBS let that slide! I do wonder if anyone would know of where
that came from as well. There has been a couple other cartoons I know
of that spoofed the "Person-to-Person" program that Murrow made famous
in the '50s. Essentially the format consisted of Murrow vising a
celebrity's home week-by-week where cameras, mikes and other equipment
would be sent over to these homes where he could talk to the particular
celebrity in a rather unique interview session (one of those things of
TV's past I still enjoy to know).

One was when Bugs Bunny was visited by a Murrow-like person anme Burrows
(who was not seen to the audience other than his hand tapping cigarette
ashes into an ash tray or something) with Daffy trying to steal the
show, until he heard of the millions of people that would be watching
him at that moment. Then there was a song segment of "The Alvin Show"
where Murrows visited the Seville residence and the chipmunks manage to
make a mess of things as usual.

But yes, it's one of those that would go over people's heads if they're
not aware of it.

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

Steve Carras

2004-04-25 17:47:31 UTC

Post by DishRoom1
krick wrote --

Post by Krick
Does anyone else remember this episode or am I
just going crazy?

No, you're not nuts. I've seen this episode myself a
few times. :-)
"Now, I want you to sing..REAL FAST!"
" o/~ ABBLACHLAHDAHADUH....!!! o/~"
John Shughart

Heh, I remember this episode too, though the only thing I can remember
anymore was the way the Dave Seville-like character was depicted with
such a sloppy way, even having a Cherrios "O" stuck to his tongue!
If it's one thing to be said about this show, it did help to bring back
the essense of what animation was supposed to be, but was otherwise
taken away from the animators at the cost of keeping the production to a
minimul and the main ideas having to be churned out by talent-less goofs
who never drew a cartoon in their lives!
At least Bakshi, Kricfalushi & Co. had the opportunity to start the
wheels turning.
From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak
--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

That was a takeoff on ALVIN AND THE CHIPMUNKS (1980s style,post-Clyde
Crashcup), which John K.'s always said the folks involved were taking
MUCH too seriously. I mean, how's it that you can take SERIOUSLY a
GROWN THIRTY-FORTY SUMPIN' bachelor who raises THREE SINGING AND
TALKING GODDAM CHIPUNKS, then compels alla 'em to wears GD CLOTHES! I
mean, (and I recall this just like others)ALvin oft-had theHOTS for
his 1980s teachers! (That MASHY the pup sounds like a certain mouse)

Howard Fein

2004-04-26 14:30:49 UTC

Post by Steve Carras

Post by Krick
Does anyone else remember this episode or am I
just going crazy?

No, you're not nuts. I've seen this episode myself a
few times. :-)
"Now, I want you to sing..REAL FAST!"
" o/~ ABBLACHLAHDAHADUH....!!! o/~"
John Shughart

This show has been completely absent since its 1987-89 airing on CBS'
Saturday AM schedule, save for a few weeks of reruns on FOX's Saturday
AM schedule in fall 1992- due to continued production delays in the
original X-MEN series. You'd think USA (which carried the theatrical
Terrytoons for a time) or Nick would've showed reruns in the
intervening years, but no. If you're lucky, you may find bootlegs of
MM:TNA at a comic store (like I did) or convention.
That was a takeoff on ALVIN AND THE CHIPMUNKS (1980s style,post-Clyde

Post by Steve Carras
Crashcup), which John K.'s always said the folks involved were taking
MUCH too seriously. I mean, how's it that you can take SERIOUSLY a
GROWN THIRTY-FORTY SUMPIN' bachelor who raises THREE SINGING AND
TALKING GODDAM CHIPUNKS, then compels alla 'em to wears GD CLOTHES! I
mean, (and I recall this just like others)ALvin oft-had theHOTS for
his 1980s teachers! (That MASHY the pup sounds like a certain mouse)

MM:TNA really was the show that started two conventions that have
become cliches since. One is a revival of an old character or
franchise making fun of its own conventions. A PUP NAMED SCOOBY-DOO,
which premiered a year later, really took the ball and ran with it.
Other character revivals (SYLVESTER & TWEETY MYSTERIES, SPACE GHOST:
COAST TO COAST) and semi-revivals (TINY TOONS, ANIMANIACS) relied
heavily on cliche-busting, often hampered by excessive fourth-wall
gags.

The other is parodying specific cartoon series or genres, again a
staple of TINY TOONS and ANIMANIACS. THE SIMPSONS, BOBBY'S WORLD,
FREAKAZOID, DEXTER and JOHNNY BRAVO have all done this with varying
degrees of quality.

"Mighty's Benefit Plan" directly addresses what animation buffs had
snickered about for years, namely the 'questionable' relationship
between a middle-aged bachelor and his anthromorphized animal adopted
offspring. It wasn't so blatant in the original Format 1961 Chipmunk
cartoon in which Dave was much more hard-edged. You still sensed an
underlying affection among the characters. But in the 1983-89
Ruby-Spears revival, they're just SLOPPING OVER with affection. Ross
Bagdasarian Jr. just couldn't recreate his late father's 'tough love'
vocal delivery. Virtually every R-S episode ended with a life lesson
and an "AWWWWW" 'group hug' moment. How eighties!

Viewing "Benefit Plan" today, it's surprising how the CBS censors
allowed the scene in which Sandy is forcing his adbuctees/adoptees to
wear clothes and sing real fast backwards. His body language and
intonations (wish I knew who voiced him, but the gang credits prevent
any such revelations) smack of- dare I say it- pedophalia!! The Tree
Weasels are justifiably terrified: "Anything you say, man- [then to
each other] Don't make any sudden moves."

Sandy's rather forward treatment when meeting Scrappy raises some
eyebrows as well- eliciting an admonishment of "Keep your hairless
mitts to yourself!"

Throughout the series are flashes of what would make co-producer John
K a landmark- and controversial- figure in modern animation. There's
mild 'gross-out' humor, carefully implied domestic homosexuality (if
you've ever seen the episode "The Ice Goose Cometh" guest-starring
fellow Terrytoon Gandy Goose, you know EXACTLY what I mean!), and
abrupt mood switches between boisterous levity and extended 'serious'
scenes replete with agitated monologues. These touches would become
emblematic of that Nicktoon co-starring a Peter Lorre chihuahua and
Larry Fine feline.

Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-26 15:34:07 UTC

Post by Howard Fein
This show has been completely absent since its
1987-89 airing on CBS' Saturday AM schedule,
save for a few weeks of reruns on FOX's Saturday
AM schedule in fall 1992- due to continued
production delays in the original X-MEN series.

Surprised if that was the case.

Post by Howard Fein
You'd think USA (which carried the theatrical
Terrytoons for a time) or Nick would've showed
reruns in the intervening years, but no.

Which bugged me the most! Viacom is just a bunch of a$$holes for
keeping this under wraps.

Post by Howard Fein
If you're lucky, you may find bootlegs of MM:TNA
at a comic store (like I did) or convention.

Heh, and if you're extremely lucky to have broadband, the internet!
(alt.binaries.multimedia.cartoons)

Worth it than to leave the house and spend mucho on those tapes!

Never did see any comic shop in town that had MM:TNA on it's shelves
besides anime boots.

Post by Howard Fein
MM:TNA really was the show that started two
conventions that have become cliches since. One
is a revival of an old character or franchise making
fun of its own conventions. A PUP NAMED
SCOOBY-DOO, which premiered a year later,
really took the ball and ran with it. Other character
revivals (SYLVESTER & TWEETY MYSTERIES,
SPACE GHOST: COAST TO COAST) and
semi-revivals (TINY TOONS, ANIMANIACS) relied
heavily on cliche-busting, often hampered by
excessive fourth-wall gags.
The other is parodying specific cartoon series or
genres, again a staple of TINY TOONS and
ANIMANIACS. THE SIMPSONS, BOBBY'S
WORLD, FREAKAZOID, DEXTER and JOHNNY
BRAVO have all done this with varying degrees of
quality.

No wonder why ever cartoon was following the same formula established by
MM:TNA.

Post by Howard Fein
"Mighty's Benefit Plan" directly addresses what
animation buffs had snickered about for years,
namely the 'questionable' relationship between a
middle-aged bachelor and his anthromorphized
animal adopted offspring. It wasn't so blatant in
the original Format 1961 Chipmunk cartoon in
which Dave was much more hard-edged. You still
sensed an underlying affection among the
characters.

Which I enjoyed that cartoon dearly!

Post by Howard Fein
But in the 1983-89 Ruby-Spears revival, they're
just SLOPPING OVER with affection. Ross
Bagdasarian Jr. just couldn't recreate his late
father's 'tough love' vocal delivery. Virtually every
R-S episode ended with a life lesson and an
"AWWWWW" 'group hug' moment. How eighties!

It was!

Post by Howard Fein
Viewing "Benefit Plan" today, it's surprising how
the CBS censors allowed the scene in which
Sandy is forcing his adbuctees/adoptees to wear
clothes and sing real fast backwards. His body
language and intonations (wish I knew who voiced
him, but the gang credits prevent any such
revelations) smack of- dare I say it- pedophalia!!
"Anything you say, man- [then to each other] Don't
make any sudden moves."

Heh, surrpised they would get away with it. Nowadays it's the kind of
thing a network would think twice before airing at all.

Post by Howard Fein
Sandy's rather forward treatment when meeting
Scrappy raises some eyebrows as well- eliciting an
admonishment of "Keep your hairless mitts to
yourself!"
Throughout the series are flashes of what would
make co-producer John K a landmark- and
controversial- figure in modern animation. There's
mild 'gross-out' humor, carefully implied domestic
homosexuality (if you've ever seen the episode
"The Ice Goose Cometh" guest-starring fellow
Terrytoon Gandy Goose, you know EXACTLY
what I mean!), and abrupt mood switches between
boisterous levity and extended 'serious' scenes
replete with agitated monologues.

All of which wasn't hardly present by the time the show came out
(obviously). It did went to strange new places that hardly any cartoon
of that point in time would dare tread.

Among the staff that worked on this I think were Rich Moore and Jim
Reardon, who where both at once point students from CalArts (Jim Reardon
was responsible for the bootlegged classic "Bring me the Head of Charlie
Brown"), and wanted to really do a cartoon the way it was meant to be.
After working on MM:TNA they wind up working on the Simpsons, but had
less creative integrities because of the differences in the scripting
and layouts needed for that show.

Post by Howard Fein
These touches would become emblematic of that
Nicktoon co-starring a Peter Lorre chihuahua and
Larry Fine feline.

Of which we know so very well! Though some would complain about the
"Adult Party Cartoon" and it's differences from the original Nicktoon.

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

Thomas E. Reed

2004-04-28 23:43:45 UTC

On 25 Apr 2004 10:47:31 -0700, ***@aol.com (Steve Carras) wrote
this concerning the Kricfalusi "Chipmunks" parody in a "Mighty Mouse"
cartoon...

Post by Steve Carras
That was a takeoff on ALVIN AND THE CHIPMUNKS (1980s style,post-Clyde
Crashcup), which John K.'s always said the folks involved were taking
MUCH too seriously. I mean, how's it that you can take SERIOUSLY a
GROWN THIRTY-FORTY SUMPIN' bachelor who raises THREE SINGING AND
TALKING GODDAM CHIPUNKS, then compels alla 'em to wears GD CLOTHES! I
mean, (and I recall this just like others)ALvin oft-had theHOTS for
his 1980s teachers! (That MASHY the pup sounds like a certain mouse)

Mr. C., when you get right down to it, taking ANY of this seriously
requires a stretch of imagination. But it's not such a stretch when
you look at Michael Jackson and his zoo, including his son. (Or the
guy who shows up here claiming "Captain N" was something far beyond an
illegal commercial for some crappy video games.)

I suspect the reason that Bagdasarian the Son took it seriously was
that, in the PC 80's, you had to. I remember the original Chipmunks
being fairly anarchic. Those screams of Dave Seville yelling
"Al-VIIIIN!" wasn't him calling him home to dinner, it was him
screaming for Alvin to stop doing something stupid. He screamed a lot
less, in that 80's Parent Coping mode. He didn't have to scream
because the Chipmunks were pretty dull.

The Chipmunks of the 80's were intended to be "toyetic" (to use the
term from "Freakazoid!"), to have action playsets. They also had
girlfriends/rivals, the Chipettes, who if they were done realistically
would have voices pitched in the supersonic range.

I give the series only one plus mark: in one show they did "The Time
Warp" from "Rocky Horror." That was about as subversive as they could
get, and they even didn't do the Pelvic Thrust part right.

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Stephen Worth

2004-04-29 00:46:29 UTC

I suspect the reason that Bagdasarian the Son took it seriously was...

Ross Bagdasarian Jr. has never seen Mighty's Benefit Plan. I know that
for a fact. People here are making up accounts of his reaction to the
show.

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Chris Sobieniak

2004-04-29 02:48:55 UTC

In article

Post by Thomas E. Reed
I suspect the reason that Bagdasarian the Son
took it seriously was...

Ross Bagdasarian Jr. has never seen Mighty's
Benefit Plan. I know that for a fact. People here
are making up accounts of his reaction to the
show.
See ya
Steve

I figured that was obvious. Wonder what he woudl think of it if he had
saw it today? Bet he'd probably wouldn't care less.

For me, I'd rather he somehow give up the whole newbie Chipmunk act and
try to release "The Alvin Show" on DVD if possible (whether he owns the
original elements or Viacom does). That would be my wish to Ross Jr.
Too bad it'll never happen! :-(

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

DishRoom1

2004-04-29 06:46:30 UTC

Chris Sobieniak wrote --

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